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  • tithingstudy 11:00 pm on July 23, 2011 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Audio Lectures On Tithing - Downloadable MP3s   

    Dr. David A. Croteau On Tithing! 

    New Testament Scholar Dr. David A. Croteau spoke at Richland Creek Community Church in early 2006.

      4 Part audio series:


    1. Introduction to tithing

    02/08/2006 Twenty Arguments Advocating Tithing & The History of Tithing: Dr. David Croteau

    Introduction To Tithing – Download MP3

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    Downloadable pdf/power point presentation:

    Introduction to tithing in pdf_powerpoint form – Click to download

    Part1-Handout – Click to download pdf

    Part1_Key – Click here to download pdf


    2. Tithing In The Old Testament

    02/15/2006 Tithing in the Old Testament: Dr. David Croteau

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    Downloadable pdf/powerpoint files:

    Tithing in Old Testament – Click to download pdf

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    3. Tithing In The New Testament

    02/22/2006 Tithing in the New Testament: Dr. David Croteau

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    4. New Testament giving

    03/01/2006 The Tithe Fulfilled & Giving in the New Covenant: Dr. David Croteau

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    Dr. David Croteau interviewed by Janet Mefferd

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    Janet Mefford Interviews Dr. David Croteau – Download MP3

    Please visit Dr. David Croteau’s own blog to learn more about tithing!

    He did Ph.D. at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, studying under Dr. Andreas Köstenberger.

    Dr. David Croteau is the author of

    You Mean I Dont Have to Tithe?

    http://www.amazon.com/Mean-Dont-Have-Tithe-Deconstruction/dp/1606084054/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312670572&sr=8-1

    Also Dr. Croteau is the editor of

    Perspectives On Tithing: 4 Views

    Perspectives on Tithing: Four Views [Paperback]
    David A. Croteau (Editor), Scott Preissler (Epilogue), Ken Hemphill (Contributor), Bobby Eklund (Contributor), Reggie Kidd (Contributor), Gary North (Contributor)

    Dissertation on tithing – Dr. David A. Croteau (2005)

    http://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1016&context=fac_dis

    Introduction To Tithing!

    Old Testament Tithing!

    New Testament Tithing!

    New Testament Giving!

     
  • tithingstudy 2:21 pm on June 5, 2011 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Local Church New Testament Storehouse, New Testament Storehouse, Storehouse   

    Is The New Testament Local Church, The Modern Day Storehouse? 

    Is the New Testament Local Church The Equivalent Of Old Testament Storehouse?

    The sentence “the local Church is the New Testament storehouse” has been repeated over and over again by multitude of Pastors all over the world.

    Okay, for heck sake let us make the following assumptions:

    1. The New Testament local Church is indeed the storehouse and Christians must bring the whole tithe to the local Church.

    2. Money was a tithable item in the Old Testament

    3. Jews actually tithed ONLY 10% and not 23.3% in the span of 6 years

    4. The early Church practiced tithing and the early Church fathers taught tithing.

    Let us see how the early Church functioned:

    Ephesians 4:11 – And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers.

    Ephesians 4:12 – for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;

    Ephesians 4:13 – until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

    1 Corinthians 12:28 – And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.

    Ephesians 4:11 – 13 clearly states that there are supposed to be 5 fold ministries in order equip the saints.

    According to 1 Corinthians 12:28 in the Church 1st apostles, 2nd prophets, 3rd teachers and the Holy Spirit skips evangelists and pastors.

    Therefore would it not be logical to conclude that apostles collected the money and distributed to the rest of the ministers.

    Even the following verses do not mention about pastors and evangelists.

    1 Corinthians 12:29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?

    1 Corinthians 12:30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?

    What we see around us are two man-made systems of church government:

    (a) The pyramid system a.k.a . hierarchical pattern. This is a centrally-controlled system headed by a General Superintendent like what we see in the Assemblies of God, Church of God and other similar Pentecostal denominations. Senior pastors in these kind of pyramidal systems consider themselves matured and treat the immatured junior pastors badly.

    (b) The independent system. In this system, each church is totally independent, called non-denominational and answerable to no one. One Charismatic religious leader builds an empire collecting all tithes and offerings. He has the ultimate control over all decision making processes. Or a Senior Pastor with many associate pastors under him running a huge religious enterprise. Many Churches that practice the Word-of-Faith theology belong to this category.

    Neither of the 2 models conform to the New Testament standards but call themselves as New Testament storehouses.

    The pastoral calling is a gift given to the church and not the title of the leader of a church. The leaders of the New Testament church were called elders – not pastors – and there was always more than one elder in every church. There New Testament leadership was always in plural. Now those who think that New Testament Christians need to tithe to their local Church need to answer the following questions:

    1. Can the pro-tithers show one Church or denomination that has all 5 fold ministries in it? All we see is a single pastor controlled religious enterprise.

    2. How can a single pastor attempt to equip the saints without the help of apostles, prophets, teachers and evangelists contrary to Ephesians 4:11-13?

    2. If a Pastor gets the whole 10% what about the rest of the 4 ministerial offices?

    3. If the early Church had practiced tithing how did they “divide” the tithes amongst all 5 fold ministers?

    4. How did the early Church support miracle workers, ministers who operated in the gifts of healings, helpers, administrators and interpreters of tongues?

    4. Since 1 Cor. 12:28 says “first apostles”, did Apostles collect 10% and distributed to other type of ministers. Apostles appointed PastorS (actually elderS). So is it safe to conclude that ONLY Apostles got the tithes and gave a small percentage to Pastors and other ministers?

    5. 1 Cor. 12:28 also says “second prophets, third teachers” and it does not even mention Pastors and think about how Pastors could have collected tithes.

    6. Also in the early Church pastorS were in plural and no where the Apostles appointed a single pastor to shepherd a Church. So how can it be right for a single pastor to collect the whole tithe?

    7. All of us may not agree that the offices of Apostles and Prophets exist today but most of us agree that the other 3 offices do. So should the “teachers” get the tithe first and distribute it to the evangelists and pastors ?

    8. Also according to Acts 13:1 same people were holding 2 ministerial offices. In the Church of Anitoch there were 5 individuals holding dual offices.

    Acts 13:1 Now there were at Antioch, in the church that was there, prophets and teachers: Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

    Did they get more money for operating in 2 ministerial offices simultaneously?

    Later in Acts 13:2, Paul and Barnabas were promoted to hold the office of the apostles!

    Acts 13:2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

    No where in the New Testament we can find any pastor collecting money neither in the form of tithes nor in the form of offerings.

    Malachi 3:10 says “Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this,” says the LORD of hosts, “if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows.

    In our modern day Churches there is not food for Apostles, prophets, teachers, evangelists, helpers, administrators, faith healers, interpreters of tongues and miracle workers do not get their share. They are at the mercy of the senior pastors. Many fellow ministers are asked to “live by faith” by the senior pastors.

    Therefore even if we assume that the New Testament Church is the modern day storehouse, it does not function like a storehouse.

    In the New Testament, the Lord’s workers were supported financially in two ways: Some were supported by the gifts of believers, while others like Paul supported themselves.

    What a glaring discrepancy from what we see today!

    http://www.wickedshepherds.com

    Christians wake up!

     
    • Frank Chase Jr 12:05 pm on June 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Very good article. I would also like for you to look at my tithing study and maybe post it online as one of your links. see the study at

      http://www.holytithe.com/TithingPresent.pdf
      I was a tither for 30 years and discovered the truth after a 1 year six month study. I was shocked at what the bible said when I compared it to what the Bible truly stated. I’m not against giving but against assigning a percentage to giving and calling it a tithe.

      Thank you
      Dr. Frank Chase Jr Th.D

    • ANDREW GIANNELLI 9:04 pm on June 25, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      YOUR REAL CLOSE TO BEING RIGHT ON. ALL THE 5 FOLD WERE UNTIL WE COME TO THE UNITY OF THE FAITH ETC. WE ARE NOT THERE SO ALL FIVE ARE STILL HERE. TITHE BELONGS TO GOD NOT THE LOCAL CHURCH. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CNVERSATION WITH YOU AS TO WHAT GOD HAS TAUGHT ME ABOUT THE FIVE FOLD MINISTRY ALSO MY BILE SAYS WHEN WE COME TOGETHER THE PROPHETS SHOULD SPEAK NOT A PASTOR . AND WHAT THEY SAY SHOULD BE JUDGED OR THERE WILL BE CONFUSION. WHEN A TRUE APOSTLE OR PROPHET STAND UP AND SAY WHAT GOD SAYS TO SAY THEY ARE CALLED BY THE ONE MAN LEADER AS BEING OUT OF ORDER AND CAUSING CONFUSION , BUT CONFUSION COMES WHEN WHAT IS SAID IS NOT FROM PROPHETS AND JUDGED.

      • tithingstudy 11:15 am on July 4, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Hi Andrew, thank you for posting the comment. I agree with you! Sure we can have a conversation about this.

        TS

  • tithingstudy 2:37 pm on February 26, 2011 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: 3rd tithe, Chrysostom on tithing, How many tithes, Jerome on tithing, Josephus on tithing, Multiple tithing, third tithe   

    The Third Tithe!

    Our modern day tithe teachers are leaving an indelible impression in the minds of their followers that the ancient Jews tithed only 10% of their gross income and demand that Christians must also tithe 10% of their gross income to their local Churches.

    However, to make such an assumption is totally false and contrary to the scriptures.

    There were multiple tithes prescribed in the Mosaic law contrary to popular opinion. Let us focus on the 3rd tithe in this article.

    Definition of the 3rd tithe:

    After the Sabbatical year, on every third and sixth year the farm owning Israelites must keep the increase of their produce within their gates and distribute it to the Levites, the widows, the poor and the strangers.

    The 3rd tithe is also known as:

    The Charity tithe / Tithe for the poor / Welfare tithe

    Some of the distinct things about the 3rd tithe were, little to no traveling and transportation involved and this is the only tithe for which God promises to bless the works of the giver. No promises were given for the givers of the 1st and 2nd tithes in the Mosaic law. Also after paying the 3rd tithe the tithers were required to offer a specific declaration and a prayer as prescribed in Deuteronomy 26:13-15. There are no instructions in the Mosaic law to offer any specific prayer after paying the 1st or 2nd tithes.

    Proof from the law of Moses (Scriptures about the 3rd tithe):

    Deuteronomy 14:28

    “At the end of every third year you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in that year, and shall deposit it in your town.”

    Deuteronomy 14:29

    “The Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance among you, and the alien, the orphan and the widow who are in your town, shall come and eat and be satisfied, in order that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.”

    Deuteronomy 26:12 – 15

    “When you have finished paying all the tithe of your increase in the third year, the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan and to the widow, that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.”

    Questions and Answers about the third tithe:

    1. What was tithable as the third tithe?

    • One tenth of the increase in the produce. Money (Shekel) is not mentioned and the cattle are not mentioned either.

    2. Who were the recipients?

    • The Levites, the widows, the poor and the strangers (aliens) were the recipients and the final owners of this tithe.

    3. Where should they bring the tithes?

    • Within their gates and within the boundaries of their town.

    4. What was the purpose?

    • In order that the Lord God of Israel may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.

    5. How often it should be paid?

    • Every third year, that was on the 3rd and 6th year from the Sabbatical year.

    6. Was it redeemable?

    • No, it could not be redeemed. It must be given out and no redemption option was specified in the Mosiac law. The third tithe must not be converted into money.

    7. When it was paid?

    • At the END of the 3rd year.

    8. Were livestock involved?

    • No, animals were not part of the 3rd tithe.

    9. What was the difference between the third tithe and the other two tithes?

    (More …)

     
  • tithingstudy 7:46 pm on December 17, 2010 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Justin Martyr On Tithing   

    Church Father Justin Martyr On Tithing? 

    Who was Justin Martyr?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr

    Did Justin Martyr record incidents of early Christians tithing?

    Justin Martyr – First Apology

    http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.ii.lxvii.html

      Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians.

    And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succors the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

    In chapter 67 of his book first apology Justin Martyr explains how the early Church collected money.

    …And the wealthy among us help the needy

    • Tithe collection was not mentioned and obviously no one gave “seed offering”.

    …and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succor the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

    • No mention about the collection of “His” tithes!!!

    There is no proof of early Christians following the “eternal moral principle” of tithing in Justin Martyr’s writings.

    Church father Justin Martyr never advocated tithing and the early Christian Church never practiced tithing as we see in today’s Churches.

    Justin Martyr – Second Apology

    There is no mention about Christians tithing in Justin’s 2nd apology either!

    Dialogue with Trypho, the Jew – Justin Martyr

    http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.xi.html

    Chapter XI – The law abrogated; the New Testament promised and given by God

    But we do not trust through Moses or through the law; for then we would do the same as yourselves.

    Now, law placed against law has abrogated that which is before it, and a covenant which comes after in like manner has put an end to the previous one; and an eternal and final law—namely, Christ —has been given to us, and the covenant is trustworthy, after which there shall be no law, no commandment, no ordinance.

    These were the statements made by Justin Martyr to Trypho, the Jew which obviously indicate that Justin did not follow the law of Moses!

     
  • tithingstudy 6:30 pm on December 9, 2010 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Leverite Law, Leverite Marriage, Tabular Columns, ,   

    Tithing Study Tabular Columns! 

    Tithing Tabular Columns!

    Download the comparison chart here:

    https://tithingstudy.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/leverite_marriage_law_vs_tithing_law.pdf

    Levitical Tithes Versus Festival Tithes

    ~~~~~~~~~~ Levitical Tithe Festival Tithe
    Scripture Verses Leviticus 27, Numbers 18:25-32 and Hebrews 7:5-11 Deuteronomy 12:16-21, 14:22-26, Exodus 23:14-17 and
    Deuteronomy 16:16
    Where to Eat Eaten anywhere in the promised land (only Levites could

    eat)

    Only Eaten In Jerusalem
    Who Received Tribe of Levi excluding Aaronic Priests All tribes of Israel
    Final Ownership 90% owned by the Tribe Of Levi and 10% went to Aaronic

    Priests

    Original Owners
    Why Substitute for Land inheritance Teach the fear of The Lord
    Option to convert to money Add 20% to the monetary value and bring it to Levites No redemption option specified
    Further Action Levites Tithed 10th of the Tithe to Aaronic Priests No further action – all consumed during festivals

    Levirate Marriage Law Versus Tithing Law
    ~~~~~~~~~~ Levirate Marriage Law – Marrying deceased husband’s male

    relative

    Tithing Law
    Definition Marrying deceased husband’s nearest male relative if there

    are no surviving male heirs

    ALWAYS food, agricultural products, seed of the land,

    produce, oil, wine and livestock INSIDE the promised land but
    NEVER referred to earned income or money

    How it started? Unknown and no specific reason or commandment given Unknown and specific reason or commandment
    Purpose To continue and preserve the male line of the deceased husband Levite tithe is to offset the loss of land inheritance for the tribe of Levi & Festival tithe is to teach the fear of the Lord
    Before the law of Moses Practiced Practiced
    Compulsory or Optional? Mandatory in many parts of the ancient Middle East Not compulsory but done as a free will offering or part of a previous vow
    Incorporation into the Law of Moses Modified and adapted into the Mosaic law, also affected inter-tribe marriages Modified and codified into the Mosaic law, different tithes introduced
    How did it start? Unknown and no specific reason or commandment given Unknown and specific reason or commandment
    Frequency Does not matter, could happen in any year 6 years of continuous tithing and on the 7th year no tithing
    Mentioned in the Talmud Discussed at least in one tractate Discussed at least in one tractate
    Question posed to Jesus? Sadducees posed a specific question to Jesus No one asked Jesus about tithing
    What did Jesus say? Never explicitly abrogated and did not command the Jews to discontinue the practice Never explicitly abrogated but asked the Jews under the law

    to tithe from garden herbs

    Elsewhere in the New Testament Mentioned only by Jesus and the Sadducees, not mentioned elsewhere Mentioned by Jesus and mentioned in the book of Hebrews
    Primary Subject of in the mentioned New Testament verse No, resurrection was the primary subject when the Sadducees questioned Jesus No, pride vs. humility (in the parable – Luke 18:9-14),

    emphasis on justice and mercy (Matt. 23:23/Luke 11:42) and
    comparison of Levitical and Melchizadek’s priesthood (Hebrews
    7:1-10).

    Apostle Paul’s position Paul never made a statement about the custom of Leverite
    law
    Paul never mentioned about tithing
    Commanded to New Testament Christians? No, A Christian woman need not marry her deceased
    husband’s nearest male relative if there is no surviving

    son

    No, A Christian is not commanded to tithe to the local
    Church
    How today’s Christian church (various denominations)
    follow both?
    No Pastor asks a Christian widow to remarry or ask her to
    marry her husband’s nearest male relatives if she does not
    have a son even though it is practiced before the law of
    Moses
    Pastors exhort Christians to give 10% of their gross income
    (money earned) stating that tithing was practiced even before
    the law of Moses!

    Comparison Between Abraham’s tithe, Jacob’s tithe and tithing under the law of Moses
    Abraham’s Tithe Jacob’s Tithe Under the law of Moses
    Only Abraham tithed and not his servants Only Jacob (promised to) tithe and not his sons and
    servants
    Only Land owners growing crops and cattle owners tithed to
    Levites and Levites tithed to the priests. Poor and workers in
    the farms did not tithe
    Only once paid Promised to pay only once Levitical and Festival tithes were yearly paid for 6
    continuous years and Charity tithes were paid once in 3
    years
    Not from possessions but consisted of war spoils only Promised to pay from whatever God would give him Yearly paid Levitical and Festival tithes and Charity
    tithes were paid once in 3 years
    Abraham wanted to pay tributes to God and return the rest
    to the King of Sodom after rescuing his nephew Lot
    Hebrew language says Jacob had fear and doubts about God
    and to manipulate God he made a conditional vow to tithe!
    It was mandatory
    Voluntary and tithed to Melchizadek and returned 90% back
    to the King of Sodom!
    Voluntary but no record of Jacob paying tithes Compulsory and followed levitical, festival and charity
    tithing systems
    Not commanded to tithe Not commanded to tithe Commanded to tithe
    Gave the rest of the 90% to the King of Sodom Did not give the rest to of the 90% to anyone Levites tithed 10% to the Aaronic Priests and kept the
    rest of the agricultural products and livestock to
    themselves
    Previous vow Conditional vow Not subject to vow
    Only one variety – war spoils Only one type Multiple – at least 3 different tithes specified in the
    law
    Melchizedek was the recipient No record about the recipient Levite got the 1st tithe and in turn tithed to the Priests, poor received the tithes and consumed by the owners during festivals
    Total – 10% Total – Uncertain Total – 23.3% (10% Levitical, 10% Festival and 3.33 %
    Charity – 6 year average 23.3% & if Sabbatical year included
    it comes to about 20%)

    Old Testament Levites, Early Church Pastors And Modern Day Pastors
    Old Testament Levites Early Church Pastors Modern day Pastors
    Physical Descendents of Jacob’s 3rd Son Levi One of the five fold minsters Anyone who runs a Church
    Got their authority to minister by the commandments given
    in the law of Moses
    Appointed by Apostles Seminary/Bible college qualification or self-appointments
    or being the son of a Pastor qualifies them. Some of them do have a
    genuine call from God
    Were NOT full-time workers Most of them were NOT full-time workers Most of them are full-time workers
    Received tithes from the rest of Israel Never received tithes from early Christians but sometimes
    accepted free will gifts/offerings
    Most of them receive tithes from modern-day Christians in
    the form of money
    Received tithes from the rest of the tribes to offset their loss of land inheritance Received freewill offerings/gifts for their labor in the Lord Have an entitlement mentality and force believers to give, sometimes with threats
    In turn tithed to Priests and the Priests did not tithe to
    anyone!
    Never tithed to any central authority or any
    denominational head quarters
    Usually tithe to denominational headquarters or tithe to
    their Pastoral friends
    Always functioned as a team Always mentioned in plural and the Apostles came
    first
    Mostly single pastor controlled systems and pre-eminence
    to his family
    Accountable to Aaronic Priests and were not supposed to go
    inside the Holy of Holies
    Accountable to Apostles and inter-dependant of other
    ministerial offices
    CEOs of a religious enterprise, sometimes accountable to
    their denomination
    Only Aaronic priests had special privilege in the
    tabernacle and the Levites did not control all the resources
    in the religious enterprise
    Apostles had greater authority and followed by Prophets.
    No single Pastor and his family controlled all resources of a

    religious enterprise

    Usually a single Pastor controls all the resources of the
    religious enterprise and other associate Pastors and Church
    workers are employed by the Pastor
    Only received money when the Israelites decided to redeem
    the tithe by adding 20% of the monetary value
    Most of them were in secular jobs and sometimes received
    voluntary monetary gifts
    Compulsorily collect tithes from the gross money earned
    from believers
     
    • bonnie 2:07 pm on May 23, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I find very concerning your statement within the table under modern day pastors that “only a few of them have a genuine calling from God.” I wonder how you have determined this.

      I haven’t read a lot of your blog – just came across in within the last few days. From the title “not for NT Christians” makes me wonder if you hold that Christians should not tithe or if Christians should not feel obligated to give 10% (though they may should they choose).

    • tithingstudy 2:46 pm on May 29, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Okay Bonnie, I understand and modified it. God has called me to be a Pastor for example. Out of those who are called as Pastors, only a few of them function as Pastors. Most of them as PITOs (Pastors In Title Only).

      Regarding the title “Not for NT Christians” – it does not mean if NT Christian must not tithe. If a Christian decided to set aside 10% of his/her income to the Lord that is fine with me. However it should not be forced on anyone. Commitment to tithe to the “local church” for membership is totally unacceptable. Any “Pastor” who makes it compulsory for members to pay tithes in order to become members/stay as members is a PITO

    • Ron 5:03 pm on February 23, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      It must be noted that even if one does choose of his or her own volition to give 10% of his or her money, that does not mean that person is “tithing”. The Scriptures tell us that God’s Holy tithe is of the crops, flocks and herds (Lev. 27:30-34) It is never money in the Word of God, so how can one redefine it to say it is money?

      Giving 10% of one’s money is simply giving 10% of one’s money… it is not “tithing.” And I do agree, pastors are overstepping their boundaries when they teach that the tithe is money and that God requires their money to be tithed.

  • tithingstudy 9:17 pm on November 4, 2010 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: anti-tithes, GeorgeAnn Hughes interviews, GeorgeAnn Hughes Inteview With Rory O Moore, Rory Moore, Rory O Moore, Rory O Moore In The Byte Show, The Byte Show Interviews, The Tithe That Binds, , , ,   

    The Tithe That Binds – Rory O Moore 

    The Tithe That Binds by Rory O Moore!

    The Tithe That Binds - Rory O Moore

    The e-book version of this book is available in “.pdf” form and please click the link below to download.

    The Tithe That Binds – Rory O Moore – Click here download the e-book in pdf form!

    Downloadable MP3s:

    Play Part 1 on-line directly!


    Download Part 1 MP3 file:

    The Tithe That Binds – Part 1 / Rory O Moore Interviewed By GeorgeAnn Hughes of The Byteshow

    Play Part 2 on-line directly!


    Download Part 2 MP3 file:

    The Tithe That Binds – Part 2 / Rory O Moore Interviewed By GeorgeAnn Hughes of The Byteshow

    © 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 by GeorgeAnn Hughes
    All Rights Reserved Worldwide

    Acknowledgements:

    I would like to thank GeorgeAnn Hughes of “The Byte Show” for giving her approval to upload Rory’s interview about tithing in this blog.

    Many thanks to Rory Moore, who is the author of this book for granting me permission to make this e-book available in this blog.

    ©2009 Rory O Moore. All Rights Reserved.

     
  • tithingstudy 12:23 am on May 30, 2010 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Did Jesus Ask Christians To Tithe?, Did Jesus command Christians to tithe?, Did Jesus endorse tithing?, Jesus and tithing, Luke 11:42, Matthew 23:23, New Testament Tithing, Pharisees, , Tithing in New Testament, Tom Brown   

    Did Jesus Ask Christians To Tithe? 

    If Jesus Addressed Matthew 23:23 To Christians…
    Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 are the favorite verses for the tithe teachers because in this verse Jesus “commands” people to tithe!!!
    “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.
    A Word of Faith preacher says the following in this website:

    Notice Jesus said, “You should have practiced the latter (justice, mercy and faithfulness), without neglecting the former (tithing)….Some argue that Jesus’ words are not applicable to us today, because Jesus was under the Law and spoke to those under the Law. Their theory goes something like this: Jesus was giving an instruction to the Jews so His words are not binding to us. The problem with this interpretation is that these teachers are bringing Christ down to the level of a Jewish prophet or Teacher of the Law. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, so this means every word that comes out of His mouth is eternal. He cannot say anything without it being “spiritual law” and everlasting. Jesus emphasizes this point by saying, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matt 24:35). These supposed Bible teachers are making the words of Jesus pass away—obsolete and out of date.
    If Christians need to use the logic of these tithe teachers, then we should also consider the other saying of Jesus and obey them! Shouldn’t we?

    1. Thou shalt not tell anyone about thy healing…

    Matthew 8:4 / Mark 8:40-44
    Then Jesus said to him, “Don’t tell anyone about this. Instead, go to the priest and let him examine you. Take along the offering required in the law of Moses for those who have been healed of leprosy. This will be a public testimony that you have been cleansed.
    Matthew 9:30
    And their eyes were opened. And Jesus sternly warned them: “See that no one knows about this!”
    a) Christians are not supposed to tell anyone if they get healed.
    b)Take the offering prescribed by Moses to the Pastor of the local Church?

    2. Thou shalt evangelize ONLY the Jews and not other people groups.

    Matthew 15:24

    Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep–the people of Israel.

    3. And say to non-Jews that God’s blessings are not for gentiles.

    Matthew 15:26
    Jesus responded, “It isn’t right to take food from the children and throw it to the dogs.

    4. Thou shalt not proclaim that Jesus is the Messiah to anyone…

    Matthew 16:20
    Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ.

    5. Christians must sell all their possessions and give them to the poor.
    Matthew 19:21
    Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

    6. Justification is NOT by faith but by obeying the commandments of Moses!
    Matthew 19:17
    And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
    So in order to lead an unbeliever to salvation, Christians must ask them to keep the commandments of Moses instead of asking them to trust in Jesus.

    7. Thou shalt randomly enter into any house and thou shalt not stay in Hotel rooms!

    Luke 9:4 / Luke 10:7
    “Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that city.
    When we go to minister to the lost, Christians should randomly enter into a house and stay if they accept Christians. We should not make reservations to stay in hotel rooms! No continental breakfast and wireless internet for tithe teachers!!!

    8. Thou shalt not attend thy Father’s wake/funeral and when thy Father dies, thy shall proclaim the Gospel everywhere!
    Luke 9:60
    But He (Jesus) said to him, “Allow the dead to bury their own dead; but as for you, go and proclaim everywhere the kingdom of God.

    9. Christians should not carry wallet,money, check book, credit card when they go for ministry!!!

    Luke 10: 4
    Carry no money belt, no bag, no shoes; and greet no one on the way.
    Christians are not supposed to wear shoes, boots and sandals and we should go bare foot while going for ministry. No bags are allowed and we can save on flight ticket. Greet no one on the way…. Christians should not say Hi to anyone on the way, no smiling, no good mornings and no good afternoons.

    10. Follow Jesus’ method while evangelizing:

    Luke 10:25-26
    v25 One day an expert in religious law stood up to test Jesus by asking him this question: “Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?”
    v26 Jesus replied, “What does the law of Moses say? How do you read it?”
    Christians must ask seekers “What does the law of Moses say? How do you read it?”

    11. Never invite friends and relatives for lunch or dinner!

    Luke 14:12
    And He also went on to say to the one who had invited Him, “When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, otherwise they may also invite you in return and that will be your repayment.

    12. Only invite poor, crippled, lame and blind
    Luke 14:13
    But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,

    13. Thou shalt celebrate the passover!
    Luke 22:8
    And Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, so that we may eat it.”

    All the above mentioned points were uttered by Jesus Himself and we know His words will not pass away even when heaven and earth pass away!

    Therefore tithe teachers, why do you need to obey Matthew 23:23 alone? What about the other sayings of Jesus?

     
    • Dirty Harry 11:00 am on October 28, 2010 Permalink | Reply

      Tithing Not a Law For Christians
      By Robert K. Sanders
      Is it true that if you do not tithe
      you are doomed for Hell?
      Yes says Ellen G. White, The Seventh-day Adventist prophetess!
      The tithe is the Lord’s, and those who meddle with it will be punished with the loss of their heavenly treasure unless they repent. … God has not changed; the tithe is still to be used for the support of the ministry.– 9T 249-250.
      Where does the Bible support EGW when she tells us that Christians that do not tithe will, “be punished with the loss of their heavenly treasure”? EGW’s warning ought to scare any SDA into paying tithe.

      Ellen White contradicts God by saying the tithe is to be used for the support of his ministers. Please give the text for this!
      EGW: “The tithe is the Lord’s—since the fall of man it has been necessary that there should be men devoted wholly to the service of God. It appears that from the beginning the Lord taught His people to devote one-tenth to the support of His ministers.”—Review & Herald, January 15, 1880
      God tells us tithe is to be paid only to Levite Priests. When did God change the tithe law to include the Gospel Ministers? I have not had one person answer this question.
      Jews Do Not Pay Tithe
      Please Read This First Before Continuing
      My wife and I were out shopping and met a SDA church member from our former local church. The conversation turned to paying tithe. This person tried to justify paying tithe because the Gospel ministers have taken the place of the Levite Priests. I pointed out that God never changed the tithe law to include non-Levites or Gospel Ministers but to no avail. I also had some SDAs e-mail me after reading this topic Tithe Not a Law For Christians attempted to make the same argument to justify giving tithe to preachers.

      I wrote to Ask a Rabbi in Jerusalem http://ohr.edu/yhiy.php/ohr_somayach/ their position on paying tithe. You will be amazed as I was to see that the Jews do not pay tithe. They also tell us that the Rabbis are supported by free will offerings from members of the Synagogue. Yet the SDAs teach this non-biblical doctrine of old covenant “works” to new covenant Christians that the pastors are to be paid by tithe. What a scam!

      My letter as follows:
      From: “Robert K. Sanders” rksanders@comcast.net
      form_message: Does God now require Jews to pay tithe according to the Levitical system, as there are no longer a Temple and Levite priests to care for it? How are the Rabbis paid for their work? Were all excluded from paying tithe except those in agriculture and animal husbandry?

      —–Original Message—–
      From: Rabbi Reuven Lauffer [mailto:lauffer@ohr.israel.net]
      Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:41 AM
      To: ohr@ohr.edu; rksanders@comcast.net
      Subject: Re: Tithes
      From: “Ohr Somayach” ohr@ohr.edu
      To: Lauffer@ohr.israel.net
      Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:36:43 +0200
      Subject: (Fwd) Inquiry form from the OHR.edu site
      Reply-to: ohr@ohr.edu
      Dear Robert,
      There is no longer an obligation to support the Levites and Priests as they are no longer working in the Temple. Rabbis are normally supported by the contributions of their congregants through their Synagogue membership.
      In general regular charity is a commandment that is incumbent on everyone and it teaches us the very important lesson that the money we control has been entrusted to us by G-d. One should not make the mistaken assumption that if a person works for his money then he has “earned” it and it belongs to him without any preconditions. Rather, whatever money we have has been granted to us by G-d and we must prove ourselves worthy of being the recipients of it. Therefore, we take some of our “hard earned cash” and give it to those that are less fortunate then ourselves.
      Best regards from Jerusalem,

      Rabbi Reuven Lauffer
      At Ohr Somayach/Tannenbaum College in Jerusalem, students explore their heritage under the guidance of today’s top Jewish educators. For information, please write to info@ohr.edu

      Christian Church leaders often hold up the examples of Abraham and Jacob to get their members to tithe. If we look at the record, we will see that there was not a tithe law commanded by God till Sinai. Why then did Abraham and Jacob give a tenth?
      Why Abraham Paid A Tithe
      Genesis chapter fourteen we read about a war between kings of Sodom, Gomorrah with two ally kings that were defeated and taken prisoner. The victors took the property of the Kings, took Lot, women and children captive. When Abraham heard about this he and his men went after them and defeated the kings. Abraham then brought back Lot and all the possessions as well as the women and other people. See: Genesis 14:16.
      Then Abraham gave a tenth to Melchizedek.
      Gen. 14:18 – 20 (NIV) 18Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19and he blessed Abram, saying, “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. 20And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand.” Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
      A SDA pastor wrote me and said that when the text said, “a tenth of everything” it meant Abraham gave a tenth from his personal possessions. This pastor failed to read the text that Abraham gave a tenth of the “plunder” not from his personal possessions.
      Heb 7:4 (NIV) 4Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder!

      The reason Abraham gave a tenth was because of God’s deliverance from his enemies. We would call this tenth, “a thank offering”. Tithing was never a part of the Abrahamic covenant.
      Abraham did not give tithe to Melchizedek from his personal possessions but from the spoils of war after rescuing Lot. Therefore we can see that Abraham was not following an unwritten tithe law when he gave tithe to the King of Salem. And besides, the Levitical tithe law did not include “spoils of war.” Tithing was not a part of Abrahamic covenant. See, Gen 17.
      Before the King of Salem incident and after, there is no record of Abraham, a very wealthy man ever paying tithe of his own personal possessions to God. Gen. 13:2 (NIV) 2Abram had become very wealthy in livestock and in silver and gold.
      The Author of Hebrews does not teach tithing in the New Covenant.
      Heb 7:1 – 2 (NIV) 1This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.”
      Heb 7:4 – 10 (NIV) 4Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! 5Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, their brothers—even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. 6This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. 8In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.
      Note:. The context of Hebrews is showing how Christ is superior to the Levitical system with Levite Priests. Melchizedek did not command or demand tithe as would be the case in the Levitical law. The tithe law was given only to Israel. The Abrahamic covenant had no tithe law. Abraham was made rich by God for his faithfulness not because he gave a tenth from spoils of war.
      There Is No Record That Jacob Paid A Tenth
      Gen. 28:20 – 22 (NIV) 20Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear 21so that I return safely to my father’s house, then the LORD will be my God 22and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”
      Note: Jacob made a vow to God a tenth on the conditions “if” God would give him food, clothes and protect him on his journey and return him safely to his father’s house. Jacob was not obeying any God ordained tithe law by making his own arbitrary conditions with God. The Levitical tithe law is to be paid without conditions. There is no record that Jacob ever paid his tenth to God.
      TITHE -What is it?
      The tithe law was enacted by God at Sinai and given only to Israel as an Old Covenant command which ended at Calvary. God never included the tithe law in the New Covenant.
      Who Is To Receive the Tithe?

      Levites are to receive “all” the Tithe.
      Num. 18:21, 23 – 24 (NIV) 21“I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting. 23It is the Levites who are to do the work at the Tent of Meeting and bear the responsibility for offenses against it. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. They will receive no inheritance among the Israelites. 24Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the LORD. That is why I said concerning them: ‘They will have no inheritance among the Israelites.’”
      NOTE: The entire tithe was to be given only to the Levites as an inheritance. Does anyone see the gospel minister listed as receiving tithe?
      The Priests that Ministered in the Sanctuary are to
      Receive One Tenth of the Tithe from the Levites
      Num. 18:25 – 26 (NIV) 25The LORD said to Moses, 26″Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD’S offering.
      NOTE: The ministering Levite (priests) is to receive one tenth of the tithe they receive from the Levites that do not minister in the Sanctuary.

      Neh 10:38 – 39 (NIV) 38A priest descended from Aaron is to accompany the Levites when they receive the tithes, and the Levites are to bring a tenth of the tithes up to the house of our God, to the storerooms of the treasury. 39The people of Israel, including the Levites, are to bring their contributions of grain, new wine and oil to the storerooms where the articles for the sanctuary are kept and where the ministering priests, the gatekeepers and the singers stay.
      The tithe law never included Gospel Ministers. Are Gospel Ministers Levite priests that minister in the Sanctuary under the Old Covenant? It is amazing how the Church Leaders can twist the Scripture and quote Ellen White’s nonsense to line their pockets and scam their members.
      Does God Accept Money For Tithe?
      No! It is grain, fruit and animals. Even if the animal is sick or a cripple, it is to be given as tithe.
      Lev. 27:30 – 34 (NIV) 30“‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. 31If a man redeems any of his tithe, he must add a fifth of the value to it. 32The entire tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the LORD. 33He must not pick out the good from the bad or make any substitution. If he does make a substitution, both the animal and its substitute become holy and cannot be redeemed.’” 34These are the commands the LORD gave Moses on Mount Sinai for the Israelites.
      Currency such as silver, gold, talents and shekels was not allowed to pay tithe. So if you pay tithe with money you are violating the tithe law. Tithe payers are to run every tenth animal under the rod and give that animal as tithe. So when your church Pastor asks you to pay tithe, I guess you will have drop a lot of sheep or cows, fruit or grain, in the offering plate at church. Wow!
      Who were required to tithe?
      Only those in animal husbandry and agriculture were commanded to tithe.
      Who were tithe exempt?
      Carpenters, fishermen, bakers, wine makers, servants, makers of pottery, clothing, boats, fishing nets, metal makers, tax collectors, makers of parchments, writers, and all the rest of occupations.
      Why is it when churches and denominations demand tithe they do not exempt these people as well as the poor as God does in the Old Covenant Law? God does not ask for wages or income to be paid as tithe to the church or pastors.
      How is the Annual Tithe to Be Used?
      The annual tithe is to be eaten and drank by Israel in a party setting which included the Levites to revere God.
      Deut. 14:2 2- 27(NIV) 22Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always. 24But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. 26Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice. 27And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.
      The annual tithe is to be eaten by the Jews. The annual tithe can be converted to silver if you have a large herd and the town God selected was to far away to take the animals. If this is the case you can exchange the animals for silver, and then buy wine or other fermented drinks that can be eaten by you, your household, and the Levites at a place determined by the LORD.
      Has your church ever allow you to use your tithe to have a party and drink fermented drink? You might bring this to your Pastor’s attention, that you have a right to party with your tithe money as commanded by God! And don’t forget the Levites living in your town. Your Pastors are not invited, as they are not Levites or Jews. Of course you are not invited either because this command is just for Israel not New Testament Christians.
      How is the Third Year Tithe to Be Used?
      Every three years the tithe produce is to be eaten by the Levites, fatherless, aliens, and widows.
      Deut. 14:28 – 29 (NIV) 28At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.
      Why does your church not obey God in the Third Year Tithe and hold a feast for these people from the produce brought in and stored in the towns? Your church leaders will not even feed the fatherless and widows from your tithe, but pocket the money.
      Ellen G. White Disobeys God!
      EGW has a real problem with the tithe law. She disobeys God’s law by not wanting it used to feed the poor. “The tithe is set apart for a special use. It is not to be regarded as a poor fund.” Counsels on Stewardship, P.103 R & H Supplement, Dec. 1, 1896.
      Where Is the Tithe To Be Stored?
      Tithe is to be stored in a special “storeroom”
      Neh. 10:37 – 39 (NIV) 37“Moreover, we will bring to the storerooms of the house of our God, to the priests, the first of our ground meal, of our grain offerings, of the fruit of all our trees and of our new wine and oil. And we will bring a tithe of our crops to the Levites, for it is the Levites who collect the tithes in all the towns where we work. 38A priest descended from Aaron is to accompany the Levites when they receive the tithes, and the Levites are to bring a tenth of the tithes up to the house of our God, to the storerooms of the treasury. 39The people of Israel, including the Levites, are to bring their contributions of grain, new wine and oil to the storerooms where the articles for the sanctuary are kept and where the ministering priests, the gatekeepers and the singers stay. “We will not neglect the house of our God.”
      There were many Levitical cities that were given to the Levites and they stored the tithe in storehouses in these cities. Numbers 35:1-5, Joshua 21. Israel were to give to the Levites the first of their ground meal, fruit, wine, oil, crops and a tithe of your crops. And the Levites are to give a tithe from that and take it to the storeroom where articles of the Sanctuary are kept and used by the ministering priests. If you do not follow this program then you are not tithing! As you can see conference or church offices are not the Bible Jewish Storehouse. As there are no Levite ministering priests, gatekeepers and singers living there.
      Who is Robbing Who?
      Malachi Was Addressed to the Levites of Israel, Not the Christian Church
      (Mal 3:8 – 9 NIV) “”Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. “But you ask, ‘How do we rob you?’ “In tithes and offerings.” “You are under a curse–the whole nation of you–because you are robbing me.”

      NOTE: This text is God’s rebuke against the Levites Priests that were to give one tenth of all the tithe that came in to them and they in turn were to give one tenth of that to the ministering priests. The Levites were the ones that were robbing God and not obeying the Covenant God made with Israel. It was not all the Israelites that were robbing God. Chapters 2 and 3 make it clear that this was directed against the Levites which caused the whole nation to come under God’s curse. When the offending Levites would start paying tithe to the ministering priests, then God would open the storehouse for them to receive blessings.
      It is impossible for Christians to rob God in tithe as God has not transferred or given a tithe law to Christians. Christians receive blessings from God for having Christ as their Savior and not by any works of the Old Covenant Laws.
      How often have you heard this from the pulpit, that you are robbing God by not returning a faithful tithe? You see it on the “Tithe Envelope.” Malachi is the most used text to scam Christians out of their money by church pastors, as they have no New Covenant support for tithing. Church members are led to believe that if you are not returning your tithe, then you are not going to heaven, because you are a thief. The Church leaders that tell you this are liars. They are denying Christ, by using Old Covenant laws. Church Leaders are the ones that are sinning by leading you to believe tithing is binding on Christians. In so doing they are denying Christ’s finished work at the cross.
      It is the reprobate pastors that know better that are robbing God’s people by taking tithe from them to line their pockets.
      Jesus Canceled the Old Covenant Laws
      (Col 2:14 NIV) “having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.”
      (EPH 2:15 NIV) “by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.
      Note: Paul is talking about the Old Covenant that God made with Israel. This would include Civil Laws, Dietary Laws of Clean and Unclean foods, laws dealing with the Sanctuary Service, sabbath and tithing commands to support Levites Priests. The point in time that the written code was canceled was when Jesus died on the cross. (Mark 15:38 NIV) “The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.”
      Jesus Did Not Tithe Nor Command Tithing to Christians
      Jesus did not tithe. He was first a carpenter, then after age 30 he was preacher and teacher. Both professions were excluded from paying tithe.
      (Mat 23:23 NIV) “”Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices–mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law–justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.”

      NOTE: Jesus was not here advocating Christians to tithe. Jesus was reprimanding the Pharisees for not having justice and mercy, while being exact in their tithing. The Pharisees were obeying the Levitical Law of tithing and disobeying the most important part of the Law, justice, mercy and faithfulness. Jesus was here speaking to the Pharisees under the Old Covenant and not to the Christian Church. If Christians insist on following the Levitical Law they would have to find Levites to give their tithes of animals, fruit and grain (mint, dill, and cummin). When was the last time you dropped this in the offering plate?
      The Gospel Ministers Are To Be Paid
      (1 Cor 9:13 NIV) “Don’t you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?”
      (1 Cor 9:14 NIV) “In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.”
      Some interpret the “the same way” as meaning that the tithe is now to be paid to the gospel minister. Paul is explaining that the laborer is worthy of being paid for his labor. He contrasts the temple worker getting his food from the altar for his work and the gospel preacher making his living from the gospel. Tithe is not mentioned as the means of payment or that the gospel minister is to get his food from the altar.
      If this were to be a literal application to the gospel workers to “eat their food from the altar”, they would have to eat their food as recorded in Leviticus. I do not think any SDA gospel minister would follow this, and especially if he was a vegetarian.
      Eating food from the Altar: Lev. 7:1 -7 (NIV) 1“‘These are the regulations for the guilt offering, which is most holy: 2The guilt offering is to be slaughtered in the place where the burnt offering is slaughtered, and its blood is to be sprinkled against the altar on all sides. 3All its fat shall be offered: the fat tail and the fat that covers the inner parts, 4both kidneys with the fat on them near the loins, and the covering of the liver, which is to be removed with the kidneys. 5The priest shall burn them on the altar as an offering made to the LORD by fire. It is a guilt offering. 6Any male in a priest’s family may eat it, but it must be eaten in a holy place; it is most holy.7“‘The same law applies to both the sin offering and the guilt offering: They belong to the priest who makes atonement with them.
      NOTE: God tells us that the gospel ministers and workers deserve to be paid for their labor and worthy of double honor . Here is God’s program.
      1 Tim 5:17 – 18 (NIV) 17The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. 18For the Scripture says, “Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.”

      Note: Paul never told the members of the Christian Church to give their tithes or tithe on their wages or Social Security to pay the gospel ministers. Tithe paying was a law given only to Israel under the old covenant.
      Bible Guidelines For Giving
      (2 Cor 9:6 NIV) “Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.”
      (2 Cor 9:7 NIV) “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”
      The Christian is free to choose the amount of offering to give to God. If it is more than a tithe (ten percent) or less than a tithe it is acceptable to God, if it is from the heart without compulsion. It is also up to the individual to decide on where their offerings go. Also, it is for you to decide if you are giving sparingly or generously, and not to be decided for you by your church leaders. The Bible does not authorize church leaders to tell you how your money is to be spent.
      Ellen G. White Changes The Tithing Law
      Women to Be Paid From the Tithe.
      EGW: The tithe should go to those who labor in word and doctrine, be they men or women. Evangelism, page 492, Manuscript 149, 1899.

      Note: Does the Bible tell us that women are to be paid tithe? Ellen just could not get it right. It was the Levites and the Levite ministering Priests only that is to receive tithe. Is there such a thing as a woman Levite Priest?
      EGW tells us that Christians are to pay Tithe, Bring a Sin, Thank, and Trespass Offerings.
      “God’s claims are imperative upon him, not only to give his proportion according to the tithing system, but to present his sin offering and thank offerings to God. Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 467. “The best you can do is to bring a trespass offering to the altar of the Lord, and he will accept and pardon you.” Special Testimonies to Ministers and workers, p. 339.

      EGW was so caught up in Old Covenant Laws that she said that Christians are not only to pay tithe, but to bring a sin offering; thank offering and trespass offering to be pardoned by God. Where is this found in the New Testament Church? The Bible teaches we are pardoned by prayer not by works of Old Covenant Laws. Christians are under Grace and need only to pray to be pardoned by God.
      EGW Says There Is No Tithe Law Or Sabbath Law
      In the NT
      Wow!!!
      EGW: A tithe of our income is “holy unto the Lord.” The New Testament does not re-enact the law of the tithe, as it does not that of the Sabbath; for the validity of both is assumed. The Faith I Live By, page 244
      EGW ADMITS that there is no tithe or Sabbath law in the NT. In order to validate these laws you have to assume they exist for Christians. Do we also assume we should stone Sabbath breakers to death because it was not “re-enacted” in the NT? For a law to be valid for Christians, we should have a thus saith the Lord.
      Is it against the will of God to pray for the sick if they withhold tithe?
      EGW: We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church. HEALTHFUL LIVING page 237, 1021 U. T. (Unpublished Testimonies)
      EGW Estate responds at my request for information: The compiler of HL states in his preface that at times he made some “slight verbal changes” to make the extracts read in a connected way. This extract seems to have come from Ellen White’s manuscript on “Prayer for the Sick,” published in various places but most extensively in the Spalding-Magan Collection, pp. 5-7. Here is its context. (You can see that what Ellen White actually said was that the person seeking healing should inquire of himself whether he has been faithful to God in tithe-paying, not that others should be trying to find out about it.)
      “Unless you are wrought upon by the Spirit of God in a special manner to confess your sins of a private nature to man, do not breathe them to any human soul. Christ is your Redeemer, He will take no advantage of your humiliating confessions. If you have a sin of a private character, confess it to Christ, who is the only Mediator between God and man. “If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” If you have sinned by withholding from God His own in tithes and offerings, confess your guilt to God and to the church, and heed the injunction that has been given you, “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in my house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of Hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” {SpM 5.5}
      Ellen White in the above quote has shown that she is not a prophetess of God. By insisting that the tithe law given only to old covenant Israel applies to Christians and if they withhold tithe they are sinning. This is heresy. It is like saying that Christians should also obey the rest of the old covenant law. EGW is denying the finished work of Christ.
      Seventh-day Adventist Tithing Doctrine
      Baptismal candidates are required to accept tithing before they can be baptized into Christ and voted into church membership. This is heresy. See SDA Church Manual, 1981 p. 62.
      Tithe is to be used for the work of the ministry, Bible teaching, and for conference administration. The tithe is not to be spent for church or institutional debts or for building operations. Church officers are required to be tithe payers. SDA Church Manual, 1981 p.204, 205.
      (So much for the cheerful giver).
      Seventh-day Adventists have adopted the Levitical model for financing the Gospel. Seventh-day Adventist Believe, p.271.
      “Let’s remember that when the church decides that tithe paying should be a requirement for a certain position, the church is not dealing with whether a person will be saved or not. There is absolutely no doubt that those who rob God in tithes and offerings will be lost.” Is Tithing a Requirement For All Church Officers? Letter by SDA Pastor Bob Forss, November 1994
      How Tithing Came Into the Seventh-day Adventist Church
      Before tithing, the Church used what was called the Systematic Benevolence Plan to finance the salary of its ministers. It amounted to one percent of one’s total income.
      James White rejected the ten percent plan,” We do not urge the Israelitish tithing system as embracing the whole duty of the believers in the third [angel's] message….That system was necessary in God’s plan of the Levitical priesthood; but in closing message presents a far greater call for something of the kind.” R&H, April 9, 1861, p. 164.
      Dudley M. Canright: in a series of articles in 1876, emphasized Malachi 3:8-11 as “the Bible plan of supporting the Ministry.” He urged Adventists to adopt this plan to glorify God….” R&H, February 17, 1876, p.50, 51, see also Spectrum 1986, Adventist Tithepaying– The Untold Story, p. 139.
      Note: It was Canright that gave the SDA Church the Levitical tithing system in 1876. EGW put her stamp of approval on it and James White reversed himself to comply with his wife and go non-biblical. From then on there was no stopping EGW from making up her own tithe laws. She legislated on how the tithe is to be used and not used and her condemnation to those that did not abide by them. Such as “losing your heavenly treasure” by not following them.
      How Do Adventist Figure Tithe? From a former SDA Pastor. This is good!
      Another thing SDAs have a real problem with is gross vs. net salary. If you really want to get the SDAs up in arms ask them whether tithe should be on gross or net earnings. There is no official answer to this question as far as I know. The layperson will say “net” — the pastor will say “gross.” But, and this is the neat part, ask the layperson if he thinks his pastor pays tithe on his gross. The truth is, no way Hosay! Ninety-nine point ninety-nine per cent of SDA pastors pay tithe on their net — they’re careful to deduct their home office expenses, their automobile mileage allowance, the parsonage allowance, and every other “allowance” they can dream up to keep that tithe figure low. Now, if the SDA pastor is too good at finding “allowances,” the Conference Treasurer will have a little talk with him and suggest he pay a bit more tithe to keep everyone happy — and if he doesn’t, well, it’s sayonara!
      One other thing. If the church is a 501c 3 non-profit institution the (SDA Church qualifies under this) then the US GOVERNMENT says it is ILLEGAL for the church hierarchy to demand the membership pay “dues.” Mandatory tithing is mandatory payment of dues. In fact, several SDA pastor’s I knew put down their tithe as “union dues” on their Schedule C IRS forms and thus did not have to pay taxes on the money they paid the Conference as tithe! Of course Conferences don’t like that, but the truth is, payment of tithe is just like their mandatory belief in EGW! From a former SDA Pastor.
      SDA Pastors get added perks that the tithe payer in the pew do not get. Large discounts for their children’s education, health coverage for their family, a good retirement package, all expense paid- trip for pastoral training at exotic locations, etc. In large membership churches, some may have more added benefits. Such as, free housing or subsidy for their housing, the use of church vehicles; perhaps teach a class at the local church school for extra income. And the Pastor’s wife may also get the job as Church Secretary for extra income.
      Think About This When Figuring Your Tithe.
      The Adventist Church wants to get as much of your money as they can. The Editorial Office of the R & H published a booklet titled, MESSAGE TO YOU WHO ARE NEW IN THE FAITH. Chapter “How to Figure Your Income” p. 11, By W. H. Williams.
      Mr. Williams tells how the Salaried Worker should figure his tithe. “Whenever he receives his wage, be it weekly or monthly he should lay aside one tenth as the Lord’s paying all personal expenses, such as rent, food, clothing, income tax, and all offerings for home and foreign work, from the remaining nine tenths.” Then Mr. Williams points out that professional people are allowed to deduct from their gross, office rent, employee’s salary, travel and incidental expenses, and auto expense for business.
      The Salaried Workers should be granted the same right (papal dispensation) to deduct the expenses to go to and from work. They should be able to deduct, car payments, car insurance, gas and oil, auto repairs, if car pool and public transportation, which should also be deducted from the gross income before tithe. Also the Salaried Worker should deduct work clothes and shoes whether for office, factory, etc. from the gross salary.
      Because there is no Bible example of tithing for Christians, you have allowed your church to decide for you how your money is to be spent. God did not give the EGW visions to support the Old Covenant tithe program.
      Stealing From Your Family In the Name of God
      Adventist leaders are making a living off of your hard earned money that you tithe. Many live better than you do in their fine houses, some own boats and several cars. They can afford vacations with their family. Most can afford to send their children to Adventist Academies and Universities. They also will have a good retirement from your tithe. So you folks in low income and on Social Security, think about how you are doing without so you can provide luxuries for these scammers. They are stealing from you and depriving your family in the name of God.
      Do you know how else your tithe is used? It pays for lawsuits either directly or for Insurance Premiums so that your General Conference can bring suit against your brother and sister members. The SDA Church has spent millions of your dollars so that David Dennis lawsuit would not be heard in court. Your tithe dollars have been spent by the millions in trademark lawsuits, as well as to defend corrupt church officers.
      In my 37 years as a tithe payer in the SDA Church, I have seen many families with children withdraw from the SDA Church because they had a meager wage and could not pay their bills and also tithe. They believed they were robbing God and would not go to heaven. Not only did some leave the church some also left Christ. The SDA thieves that have twisted the Holy Scriptures will have a lot of to answer for because they misled the flock that God entrusted to them.
      Conclusion
      1. Abraham and Jacob did not tithe because of a tithe law nor did they pay money, silver or gold for as tithe.
      2. There is no Bible record of the Levitical tithe law being part of the New Covenant.
      3. There is no Bible record of any Apostolic Church members paying tithes to Gospel Ministers and Church leaders. Adventists do not follow the Tithe Law given by God as they pay mandatory tithe for the Pastor and Conference Officer’s salaries instead of to the Levite Priests. Thus they break the tithe law and sin against God.
      4. Christian ministers are not authorized by God to collect tithe for their salaries. In so doing they are breaking the tithe commandment and are sinning against God. And they also deny that Christ ended the Old Covenant Laws at the Cross.
      5. Christians that do not tithe are not robbing God. There is no command by God for Christians to tithe. Where there is no law, there is no sin.
      6. There is no truth that Christians that do not tithe are not doomed for Hell. Christians are redeemed by the blood of Christ, and not by silver and gold. 1 Pet. 1:18.
      7. God forbids money to be used to pay mandatory tithe by anyone! It is animals, fruit, grain, etc.
      8. Christians are to support the Church Pastor by free will offerings. They are to give generously according to their ability and not reluctantly or under compulsion. God loves a cheerful giver. Giving mandatory tithe by law is compulsion.
      9. There is no Bible support that God will bless a Christian that pays tithe over those that do not.
      10. SDAs ask for the text where Sabbath was changed to Sunday. I ask for the text where the tithe is now to be paid to the Gospel Minister, instead of the Levite Priests.
      Two Men Were Shipwrecked Near An Island
      When they landed ashore, one of them began screaming and yelling, “We’re going to die! We’re going to die! There’s no food! No water! We’re going to die!”

      The second man leaned calmly against a palm tree.

      When the first man saw how calm his friend was, he went crazy and shouted, “Don’t you understand?! We’re going to die!!” Undisturbed, the second man replied, “You don’t understand, I make $100,000 a week.”

      Dumbfounded, the first man looked at him and asked, “What difference does that make?!? We’re on an island with no food and no water! We’re going to DIE!!!”

      The second man answered, “You just don’t get it. I make $100,000 a week and I tithe ten percent on that $100,000 a week. Wherever I am, my pastor will be sure to find me!”
      Related Tithe Subject:
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      Take the Tithing Test
      The Trial of Pastor Jones
      Take the Tithing Test

      Dr. Roger Sapp
      info@allnationsmin.org
      http://www.allnationsmin.org

      —–Original Message—–
      From: All Nations Ministries [mailto:info@allnationsmin.org]
      Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 8:25 PM
      To: ‘Robert K. Sanders’
      Subject: Take the Tithing Test (How Much Do You Know About Tithing?)

      Take the following True or False quiz to see how much your really understand about tithing. We predict that many of you will be surprised. Record your answers.

      1. The Lord Jesus Christ would have tithed. True or False?

      2. Simon Peter, originally a fisherman, would have tithed of the fish that he caught. True or False?

      3. Everyone in the Old Testament seeking to obey the Law of Moses would have tithed. True or False?

      4. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek in the same way that believers tithe to the Lord Jesus Christ. True or False?

      5. The Lord Jesus Christ taught His disciples that they should tithe. True or False?

      6. There are many examples of people tithing of their incomes in the Bible. True or False?

      7. The New Testament teaches that we should tithe to ministers in the same way that Jews tithed to the Priests. True or False?

      8. The Bible teaches that God’s standard for giving is ten-percent. True or False?

      9. The righteous poor tithed in the Old Testament. True or False?

      10. Since everyone is held to the same standard, tithing is fair to everyone. True or False?

      Bonus Question. The Bible teaches that everyone should give ten-percent of their ongoing income. True or False?

      Here are the answers:

      1. The Lord Jesus Christ would have tithed of His income. This one is false. The Lord Jesus Christ was a carpenter by profession and then after He became 30 years old He was a preacher and teacher. Neither of these professions was required by the Law of Moses to tithe anything.

      2. Simon Peter, originally a fisherman, would have tithed of the fish that he caught. This one is false also. Fishermen were not required to tithe anything either. There were only two kinds of professions in ancient Israel that were required to tithe. Farmers and husbandmen (shepherds and cattle herders) were the only tithers in ancient Israel. They only tithed the food they produced.

      3. Everyone in the Old Testament seeking to obey the Law of Moses would have tithed. It should be evident by now that this one is false also. There were many people with other professions who were not required by the Law to tithe. For instance, the apostle Paul being a tent-maker was not required to tithe. In fact, none of the Twelve apostles would have been tithers because none of them came from the required professions.

      4. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek in the same way that believers tithe to the Lord Jesus Christ. This one is false also. Abraham’s tithe was very different than what the Church practices today. For instance, Abraham only tithed once. The Church tithes continually. Abraham tithed of the spoils of a war. The Church tithes of its income. Abraham had no increase because he gave the other 90% of the spoils of the war back to the original owner. The Church tithes of its increase. There is no commandment or any logic or indication in the New Testament that believers are to tithe anything to the Lord Jesus Christ. Believers are to give generously as God blesses them and whatever is in their heart according to Paul (2 Corinthians 9:7, 1 Corinthians 16:1-2).

      5. The Lord Jesus Christ taught His disciples that they should tithe. False. Christ only makes three statements about tithing. None of these statements say that His disciples should tithe anything. Christ first statement, repeated in two Gospels, is spoken to the Pharisees not to His disciples. (Mattthew 23:23, Luke 11:42) In that statement, Christ says that the Pharisees should continue to tithe mint, dill and cummin. This is a tithe of food not money. He also says that this tithe of food is a part of the Law and says that it is not even an important part of the Law. His other statement is about a self-righteous Pharisee bragging that he tithes. Christ says that the other man who was not tithing who humbled himself was justified in the sight of God. The self-righteous tither was not justified in the sight of God. This is hardly an encouragement for Christ’s disciples to tithe money.

      6. There are many examples of people tithing of their incomes in the Bible. False. In 4000 years of recorded biblical history there is not a single example of what the Church practices today in tithing money. There are two one-time acts of tithing recorded before the Law. Neither man, Abraham or Jacob, seems to think that they should continue this process beyond the one-time act. Neither man is tithing of their income since each is only involved in a one-time act. Abraham is tithing of the spoils of a war. Neither man seems to teach their children to tithe. All the other tithing recorded in the Bible is found in the Law of Moses. In the Law, money was never used to tithe only food. In fact, when someone wanted to use money rather than bring the produce to Jerusalem, God required a 20% penalty to be added. (Leviticus 27:30-31) In other words, God discouraged the tithing of money.

      7. The New Testament teaches that we should tithe to ministers in the same way that Jews tithed to the Priests. False. The New Testament has nothing at all to say about this. This is extra-biblical logic that is not found in the New Testament. In fact, the Book of Hebrews makes it clear that believers are not of the Levitical order of priests. Believers are of a higher order, the order of Melchizedek.

      8. The Bible teaches that God’s standard for giving is ten-percent. False. Neither the Old Testament nor the New Testament teaches this. This is extra-biblical logic again. First of all, the food tithe in the Old Testament was not ten-percent. It was actually more like 23% annually on average. There were three tithes in the Law of Moses. The first tithe was paid only by agrarian families three times yearly at the feasts to the Priests in Jerusalem. The second tithe was saved by the agrarian families to support these trips. It was called the festival tithe. It was for a family vacation. The third tithe was given every three years to the local storehouse, so it amounted to about 3% annually. This was the poor tithe collected for those in need. This is the tithe that Malachi wrote about. None of these tithes were money. They were only food. Those who earned their livings by other occupations did not pay a tithe of anything. However, they did give offerings required by the Law some of which were in silver, gold, bronze and copper coins. Nowhere does the New Testament change this legal obligation of tithing food for some agrarian Israelites in the Law to money tithing for all Christians. This transformation of the food tithe to a money tithe is done by teaching that our harvest is our income and bringing us under a spiritualized form of the Law of Moses.

      9. The righteous poor tithed in the Old Testament. False. The poor had no harvest or flocks to tithe from. They were able to glean the corners of the field of those who were more prosperous.

      10. Since everyone is held to the same standard, tithing is fair to everyone. False. Tithing is incredibly unfair. Ten-percent of the income of a poor person is a great burden, while ten-percent of the income of a rich person may be no burden at all. If a person only has a $1000 a month income, then $100 of that income will affect their lifestyle and may even impact their ability to take care of their children’s basic needs and pay their bills. If a person has a $10,000 a month income then giving $1,000 per month should have little affect on their lifestyle since they should have a good amount of disposable income beyond their basic needs. If a person has a $100,000 a month income, then $10,000 a month has no appreciable affect on their lifestyle at all. Some continue to teach tithing to poor persons by arguing that if the poor person will give ten-percent of their income then God will bless them. However, coming under a spiritualized form of the Law will hinder God’s blessing in finances. The poor should simply obey the Lord as He guides them in giving.

      Bonus Question. The Bible teaches that everyone should give ten-percent of their ongoing income. False. The modern practice of tithing has five basic elements expressed as everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. How do Bible facts about tithing actually fit with this teaching? Let’s compare and contrast the modern teaching of tithing with the Bible.

      Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the “Everyone” element. The two events before the Law do not support the idea that everyone should pay tithe. Only Abraham and Jacob in each situation are paying tithe. Genesis doesn’t record anyone else tithing. Abraham and Jacob don’t seem to teach their children to tithe. One of Jacob’s children, Joseph, is a particularly righteous man. In the more than ten detailed chapters devoted to Joseph, we don’t discover him tithing either. Not everyone tithed in Genesis before the Law.
      In the Law of Moses, not everyone was required to tithe or give firstfruits. Only those who were actually growing food or raising sheep or cattle were required by the Law to tithe the food or present firstfruits. People from other occupations were not required to tithe since they had no harvest or growth of flocks to tithe or to present firstfruits from. Not everyone tithed food who lived under the Law. No one under the Law tithed money at all.
      Christ has only a few words to say about tithing. In those words, Christ does not say that everyone should tithe. He says that unbelieving Jews living under the Law should tithe food if they are growing it. He mentions three food plants. Christ is not addressing His disciples. He is addressing unbelieving Pharisees.
      The apostle Paul does not teach that everyone is obligated to tithe or to even to give. He teaches that giving is completely voluntary. The first apostolic council in Acts Chapter 15 does not say that Gentile believers should tithe either. There is absolutely no evidence that any Gentile Christian in the First Century ever tithed anything. Here is what the Encyclopedia Americana says about the history of tithing: “It was not practiced in the early Christian church but gradually became common (in the Roman Catholic church in western Europe) by the 6th Century. The Council of Tours in 567 and the second Council of Macon in 585 advocated tithing. Made obligatory by civil law in the Carolingian empire in 765 and in England in the 10th Century… The Reformation did not abolish tithing and the practice was continued in the Roman Catholic church and in Protestant countries… (until it was) gradually replaced by other forms of taxation. The Roman Catholic church still prescribes tithes in countries where they are sanctioned by law, and some Protestant bodies consider tithes obligatory.” The Encyclopedia Britannica points this out about tithing… “The eastern Orthodox churches never accepted the idea of tithes and Orthodox church members have never paid them.”
      Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the “gives” element. The two events before the Law do seem like giving. They are both voluntary acts. God does not require either man, Abraham or Jacob, to give anything. While this does on the surface seem to support the tithing teaching, it actually contradicts some aspects of the Tithing Obligation teaching. While the proponents of tithing teach that tithing is giving, they also often teach that tithing is required, that a tithe must be paid. Of course, this is a contradiction in their teaching. Something can be only given if it is entirely voluntary. If it is required, then it is, in this case, a fee for spiritual services or a religious tax. If some teach that a believer comes under a curse if they do not tithe, then they are not teaching giving but teaching paying an obligated tithe. Of course, they are right in one sense because they are often spiritualizing the Law of Moses to teach tithing.
      Tithing in the Law of Moses was never giving. It was much more like paying taxes. The Law of Moses required tithing by farmers and husbandmen. They would not have seen their tithing as giving. There was nothing voluntary in their paying tithe. They would have been in violation of the Law if they had not done it.
      Again, Christ has very little to say about tithing. He did say that Jewish people living under the Law pay tithe. Christ does teach a great deal about finances and giving but never instructs His disciples to tithe money or anything else. He does not instruct them to receive tithes either.
      Paul writes a great deal about finances and giving but never instructs anyone to tithe or to receive tithes. The first apostolic council in Acts Chapter 15 is silent on the subject of tithing and establishes that Gentiles are not to keep any aspects of the Law of Moses, even spiritualization of the Law. That would include tithing of anything.

      Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the “10%” element. The two events before the Law of Moses do seem to support the idea that ten percent of something should be given. The number ten is the same. However, the other four elements are significantly different. This makes tithing being practiced by the Church very different from what is happening in Genesis. The only similarity is the ten percent number.

      Christ does validate the ten-percent number but only for Jews living under the Law of Moses. He tells the Pharisees that they should pay tithe, ten percent, of their produced food. He also tells them that paying ten-percent is not a weighty matter of the Law. In saying this, Christ does tell us that tithing is a matter of the Law.

      The apostle Paul repeatedly warns believers about the curse of the Law. Gentile believers should not attempt to keep any aspects of the Law. Believers are not required to give ten-percent of food or anything else. The writings of the other apostles, James and Peter, are silent about Christians giving ten percent of food or anything else.

      Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the “ongoing” element. The two examples before the Law of Moses do not reveal the practice of on-going tithing. They both appear strongly to be one-time acts. In the case of Jacob, we don’t know exactly what he did but it does seem that he is promising to tithe once if God blesses him. Of course, this is exactly opposite of what the Church teaches. The Church teaches that that God will bless us if we tithe. Jacob says he will tithe if God blesses him. The Church’s practice of ongoing, repetitious tithing simply cannot be validated by two one-time acts. They are not similar to what the Church teaches about tithing.
      The only place in the Bible where ongoing, repetitious tithing can be found is in the Law of Moses. Those who were farming or practicing husbandry in Israel had a lifetime obligation to tithe the food that they produced. This ongoing food tithe to support the Mosaic Levitical ministry is often borrowed from the Law and spiritualized to justify repetitious money tithing in support of Christian ministry. This justification is not found in the New Testament.
      Christ’s statement about tithing reveals that the ongoing tithing of food is under the Law. Christ says nothing about His disciples practicing ongoing tithing of anything. While the writings of the apostles in the New Testament often speak of generous giving, they are silent about ongoing tithing of anything. The first apostolic council is also silent about ongoing tithing of anything but releases Gentile believers from any aspects of keeping the Law of Moses.
      Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the “income” element. Abraham tithes on the spoils of war, not his entire income. Abraham tithed the captured belongings of his defeated enemies. Additionally, Genesis reveals that Abraham didn’t even keep the ninety percent that was remaining. He returned those possessions to the King of Sodom. Abraham’s income, his possessions or any part of his own wealth wasn’t involved at all in his tithing. He had no increase to tithe on. In Jacob’s case, we don’t know exactly what he did since all Genesis records is his promise to God. In other words, there is no support in the events before the Law that Christians should give ten percent of their ongoing income.
      Nearly everyone that teaches tithing resorts to using the Law and prophets living under the Law to teach it. Those that teach Christian tithing from the Law often neglect to reveal that only food produced was tithed on but never money. Only those who earned their livings by producing food tithed at all. Those Israelites who earned money by other means such as tent making, weaving, carpentry, money lending, fishing or many other occupations never tithed on their incomes since it was not commanded of them.
      Christ does not change tithing food to tithing money. The writings of the apostles do not change tithing food to tithing money. The apostolic council releases the Gentile believers from any keeping of the Law. They certainly do not change tithing food to tithing money. The book of Hebrews does mention the Old Testament tithing of food but does not validate tithing money for believers today.
      Finally, it should be obvious to the reader that this doctrine is pieced together from these various passages. Not a single passage in itself actually teaches what the Church practices today. Spiritualization of the Law is used to teach tithing. Reasoning that is not found in the Bible is used to justify Christians embracing a legalistic practice from the Old Testament. In more than 4000 years of recorded Biblical history, there is not a single recorded example of tithing that is similar to what the Church practices today. We recommend that every Christian renounce this unscriptural practice and reject any lingering fear, guilt or condemnation! God’s children have no debt to their Father to pay other than thanksgiving and praise. Their elder brother, the Lord Jesus Christ, has paid in full the debt. Christ will build His Church but only with the truth. He needs no help from a false doctrine that puts the Children of God under bondage to fear and the curse of the Law. The children are free!

      ELLEN G. WHITE’S OUTRAGEOUS
      TEACHINGS ON TITHE PAYING
      Compiled By
      DENNIS J. FISCHER
      dennisfischer@neb.rr.com
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE GOD MAY STRIKE YOUR FAVORITE HORSE OR COW DEAD
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE GOD WON’T BLESS YOU
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF PRAYER WHEN SICK
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE YOU MAY NOT GET TO HEAVEN
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE GOD MAY NOT ANSWER YOUR PRAYERS
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE YOU LIE TO THE HOLY GHOST
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE IT IS RECORDED IN HEAVENLY RECORD
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE YOU MUST CONFESS SIN AND PAY UP
      • IF YOU DON’T HAVE MONEY FOR FOOD TITHE MUST BE PAID FIRST
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE HEAVENLY RECORD SHOWS YOU ARE AN EMBEZZLER
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF ETERNAL LIFE
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE YOU WILL BE CURSED BY GOD
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE YOU WILL BE POVERTY STRICKEN
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE THE LORD WILL REDUCE YOUR INCOME
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE YOU WILL RECEIVE A CURSE
      • IF YOU DO PAY TITHE YOU WILL RECEIVE A BLESSING
      • IF YOU DON’T PAY TITHE YOU SHOULDN’T BE CALLED A CHRISTIAN
      • IF A CHRISTIAN HAS $10,000 OR $20,000 HE SHOULD PAY A “SIN OFFERING”
      Seventh-day Adventist prophetess and founder, Ellen G. White, warns what will happen if members do not faithfully pay ten percent tithe:
      If you don’t pay tithe God may strike your favorite horse or cow dead
      “Those who are selfishly withholding their means, need not be surprised if God’s hand scatters. That which should have been devoted to the advancement of the work and cause of God, but which has been withheld, may be entrusted to a reckless son, and he may squander it. A fine horse, the pride of a vain heart, may be found dead in the stable. Occasionally, a cow may die. Losses of fruit or other crops may come…” Testimonies, Vol. 2, p. 661
      If you don’t pay tithe God won’t bless you
      “There are many who will not be blessed until they make restitution of the tithe which they have withheld. God is waiting for you to redeem the past.” Counsels of Steward, p. 87
      If you don’t pay tithe church members should not pray for you when ill
      “We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church.” Healthful Living, p. 121 “Prayer for the Sick”
      If you don’t pay tithe you may not get to heaven
      “When we rob God we rob ourselves also. We give up the heavenly treasure for the sake of having more on this earth. This is a loss that we cannot afford to sustain.” Testimonies, Vol. 5., p. 272
      If you don’t pay tithe God may not answer your prayers
      “As he Giver of every good blessing, God claims a certain portion of all we possess. This is His provision to sustain the preaching of the gospel. And by making this return to God, we are to show our appreciation for His gifts. But if we withhold from Him that which is His own, how can we claim His blessing? If we are unfaithful stewards of earthly things, how can we expect Him to entrust us with the things of heaven? It may be that here is the secret of unanswered prayer.” Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 144
      If you don’t pay tithe you lie to the Holy Ghost
      “…there are those who are guilty of the same sin as Ananias and Sapphira, thinking that if they withheld a portion of what God claims in the tithing system, the brethren will never know it. Thus thought the guilty couple whose example is given us as a warning…In keeping back part of the price, they lied to the Holy Ghost. Guilt likewise rests upon every individual in proportion to like offenses.” Testimonies, Vol. 4, p. 469-70
      If you don’t pay tithe unfaithfulness to God is written in heavenly record
      “”The man who has been unfortunate, and finds himself in debt, should not take the Lord’s portion to cancel his debts to his fellow-men. He should consider that in these transactions he is being tested, and that in reserving the Lord’s portion for his own use he is robbing the Giver. He is a debtor to God for all he has, but he becomes a double debtor when he uses the Lord’s reserved fund in paying debts to human beings. ‘Unfaithfulness to God’ is written against his name in the books of heaven.” Testimonies, Vol. 6, p. 391
      If you haven’t been paying tithe you must confess your sin and pay up
      “As the sin of robbing God was presented, the people received clearer views of their duty and privilege in this matter. One brother said that for two years he had not paid his tithes, and he was in despair; but as he confessed his sin, he began to gather hope: ‘What shall I do?’ he asked. I said, ‘Give your note to the treasurer of the church; that will be businesslike.’ He thought that was a rather strange request; but he sat down and began to write…’For value received. Have I not been receiving the blessings of God day after day? Have not the angels guarded me? Has not the Lord blessed me…? For value received, I promise to pay the sum of $571.50.” Counsels on Stewardship, p. 95
      Ministers must never touch tithe money in emergency even if they intend to repay
      “Some have been at fault in diverting from the altar of God that which has been especially dedicated to Him. All should regard this matter in the right light. Let no one, when brought into a straight place, take money consecrated to religious purposes, and use it for his own advantage, soothing his conscience by saying that will repay it at some future time. Far better cut down on the expenses to correspond with the income, to restrict the wants, and live within the means, than to use the Lord’s money for secular purposes…The portion that God has reserved for Himself is not to be diverted to any other purpose than that which He has specified. Let none feel at liberty to retain their tithe, to use according to their own judgment. They are not to use it for themselves in an emergency, not to apply it as they see fit, even in what they may regard as the Lord’s work. The minister should, by precept and example, teach the people to regard the tithe as sacred. He should not feel that he can retain and apply it according to his own judgment, because he is a minister. It is not his…” Testimonies, Vol. 9, p. 247
      Even young children are commanded to pay tithe
      “Teach Children to Pay Tithe and Offerings—Not only does the Lord claim the tithe as His own, but He tells how it should be reserved for Him. He says, ‘Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase.’ This does not teach that we are to spend our means on ourselves and bring to the Lord the remnant, even though it should be otherwise an honest tithe. Let God’s portion be first set apart. The directions given through the Holy Spirit through the Apostle Paul is regard to gifts present a principle that applies also to tithing. ‘Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him.’ Parents and children are here included.” The Adventist Home, p. 389
      If you don’t have money for food you must endure privation and pay tithe first
      “Many, oh, so many, among believers have scarcely food enough to eat, yet in their deep poverty they bring their tithes and offerings to the Lord’s treasury. Many who know what it is to sustain the cause of God in hard and trying circumstances have invested means in the publishing house. They have willingly endured hardships and privation, and have watched and prayed for the success of the cause. Their gifts and sacrifices express the fervent gratitude and praise of their hearts to Him who called them out of darkness into His marvelous light. No more fragrant influence can ascend to heaven. Their prayers and their alms come up a memorial before God.” Selected Messages, Vol. 2, p. 212
      If you don’t pay tithe you don’t trust God and may fall into your grave
      “The covetous are among us…They are withholding and robbing God, for they are fearful they shall come to want. They dare not trust God. This is one of the reasons that, as a people, we are so sickly, and so many are falling into their graves.” Testimonies, Vol. 2, p. 199
      If you don’t pay tithe the

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    Tags: Against Heresies, Church Father Irenaeus, Irenaeus, Irenaeus on tithing   

    Church Father Irenaeus On Tithing! 

    Our modern day Christian preachers keep telling us that even the early Church practiced tithing and the Church Fathers were in favor of tithing. Nothing could be further from the truth!

    Let us first examine the writing of Saint Irenaeus who was one of the early Church Fathers:

    Who was Irenaeus?

    Saint Irenaeus, was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. His writings were formative in the early development of Christian theology. He was a notable early Christian apologist. He was also a disciple of Polycarp, who was said to be a disciple of John the Evangelist. His best-known book, Against Heresies (c 180) enumerated heresies and attacked them. Irenaeus wrote that the only way for Christians to retain unity was to humbly accept one doctrinal authority—episcopal councils.Irenaeus was the first to propose that all four gospels be accepted as canonical.

    From Irenaenus’ Popular Book – Against Heresies

    Chapter XIII.-Christ Did Not Abrogate the Natural Precepts of the Law, But Rather Fulfilled and Extended Them. He Removed the Yoke and Bondage of the Old Law, So that Mankind, Being Now Set Free, Might Serve God with that Trustful Piety Which Becometh Sons.

    Section 3

    “And for this reason did the Lord, instead of that [commandment], `You shall not commit adultery,’ forbid even concupiscence; and instead of that which runs thus, `You shall not kill,’ He prohibited anger; and instead of the law enjoining the giving of tithes, to share all our possessions with the poor; and not to love our neighbors only, but even our enemies; and not merely to be liberal givers and bestowers, but even that we should present a gratuitous gift to those who take away our goods”

    Please pay attention that Irenaeus saying “…instead of the law enjoining the giving of tithes, to share all our possessions with the poor…”.

    Here is another passage by  Irenaeus on the same book “Against Heresies”:

    Chapter XVIII.-Concerning Sacrifices and Oblations, and Those Who Truly Offer Them.

    Section 2:

    “And the class of oblations in general has not been set aside; for there were both oblations there [among the Jews], and there are oblations here [among the Christians]. Sacrifices there were among the people; sacrifices there are, too, in the Church: but the species alone has been changed, inasmuch as the offering is now made, not by slaves, but by freemen. For the Lord is [ever] one and the same; but the character of a servile oblation is peculiar [to itself], as is also that of freemen, in order that, by the very oblations, the indication of liberty may be set forth. For with Him there is nothing purposeless, nor without signification, nor without design. And for this reason they (the Jews) had indeed the tithes of their goods consecrated to Him, but those who have received liberty set aside all their possessions for the Lord’s purposes, bestowing joyfully and freely not the less valuable portions of their property, since they have the hope of better things [hereafter]; as that poor widow acted who cast all her living into the treasury of God.

    Please notice that Irenaeus saying ” …And for this reason they (the Jews) had indeed the tithes of their goods consecrated to Him, but those who have received liberty set aside all their possessions for the Lord’s purposes…”

    Here he contrasts between the Jews living under the law and the New Testament Christians who were living in the liberty of Jesus Christ.

    Conclusion:

    • Irenaeus believed that tithing was part of the law of Moses.
    • This statements by Irenaeus proves that the early Christians did not tithe.
    • The early Christians believed that they were commanded to share all their possessions with the poor INSTEAD of tithing.
    • Irenaeus recorded that the Jews had tithed but Christians set aside all their possessions. He actually contrasted between Old Testament Jews and New Testament Christians!
    • Money is not mentioned by Irenaeus at all.

    It is interesting to see that these writings appear in his book “Against Heresies“. Irenaenus probably would have labeled all modern day tithe teaches as heretics!

    Therefore my friends, please realize that the early Church never practiced tithes and they did not even believe that they were commanded to tithe unlike what our modern day tithe teacher tell us.

    May the Lord open the eyes of whoever reads this blog post about the dangers posed by the mammon loving Pastors.

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  • tithingstudy 10:08 pm on December 30, 2009 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: anti-tither, anti-tithers, law of prosperity, pro-tither, pro-tithers, , , , ,   

    Questions Tithing Advocates Fail To Answer! 

    Many Unanswered Questions From The Pro-Tithe Camp:
    Most of the pro-tithers cling onto Matthew 23:23 & Luke 11:42 and say that even Jesus said
    so, therefore the NT Christians need to tithe.

    If they take Matthew 23:23/Luke 11:42 as a command for New Testament Christians to tithe here are the questions they need to answer:
    1. According to the Talmud and Flavious Josephus the Jews practiced
    multiple tithes (almost 3). How did the early Christians practice all 3 tithes?
    2. Did the early Christians who did not own farms and cattle give 23% of their earned income to their Churches?
    3. Levitical tithes were yearly and it went to Levites according to their
    locations. Who are the Levites today and who were the Levites in 1st century
    Christianity?
    4. How did the “NT Levites” take the 10% of the 10% to the “NT Priests”?
    5. If the NT Pastor is the priest don’t we have to tithe to the ushers, choir,
    greeters and other Church staff members and let them tithe from their tithes to
    the (senior) Pastor?
    6. Why does the Senior Pastor collect all tithes today and give salaries to the
    staff members and leave many Church workers unpaid? The OT High Priests did not
    do that. The OT Aaronic Priests received only 1% of the total tithe.
    7. In the OT the High Priests themselves did not tithe but why do our modern day prosperity
    preachers tithe to their cohorts?

    8. Regarding the festival tithe, do Christians need to go to Jerusalem to observe it as the Jews did? What is our Jerusalem now? Did the NT Christians practice pilgrimage to Jerusalem?. The festival tithe must be taken to Jerusalem. If that was prescribed to NT Christians we should make pilgrimage to Jerusalem like the Muslims visit Mecca?!?!?!

    9. The 3rd tithe for poor (Charity Tithe): Why don’t tithe asking Pastors give their congregation the liberty to take care of the poor? Why would it go to the benevolent funds controlled by the Church board? Poor people need to go through hoops to get some help. That really complicates the process?
    10. Even if we assume that tithing was commanded to NT Christians the pro-tithes fail to consider one important thing:

    * The plurality of the NT Church leadership.

    a. In the first century Christianity no Church was run by a single Pastor. The Churches were founded by Apostles and they in turn appointed elder a.k.a Pastors (in plural – more than one). Why can’t the tithe seeking Pastors follow that model today?

    b. Also the early Church had all 5 five fold ministries in the Church.
    Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Evangelists and Pastors. Well, we all cannot agree if the offices of Apostles and Prophets exist today but we all can agree at least the offices of Pastors, Evangelists and Teaches exist in our contemporary Christianity. So the point is, even if the early Church received tithes it was divided amongst all 5 fold ministers and the money DID NOT GO TO A SINGLE PASTOR unlike what we see today. The tithing advocates today need to answer this question as well. They are unwilling to accommodate other types of ministries but want to dominate and control the finances which is totally unfair.

    c. Many Senior Pastors have their associate Pastors. Most of them are not paid well and some of them are asked to “live by faith”. These tithe hungry Pastors not only forget the poor but also neglect their own staff members. This example was certainly not followed by the first century Christian church.

    Therefore the pro-tithers still would not meet the NT model of tithing even if it was practiced by the early Christian church.

    New Testament Christians Don’t Be Deceived By These Mammon Lovers!!!

     
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